Journals of the Senate
52 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2003, Canada
Journals of the Senate
2nd Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 43
Tuesday, March 25, 2003
2:00 p.m.
The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Chaput, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Fitzpatrick, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Joyal, Keon, Kinsella, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Merchant, Milne, Moore, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Poulin (Charette), Prud'homme, Ringuette, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Tkachuk
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Atkins, Austin, Bacon, *Banks, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Callbeck, *Carney, Carstairs, Chalifoux, Chaput, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, *Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Eyton, Fairbairn, Fitzpatrick, *Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Grafstein, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Hubley, Jaffer, Joyal, *Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, *Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, Lawson, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, *Meighen, Merchant, Milne, Moore, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Oliver, Pearson, Pépin, Poulin (Charette), Prud'homme, Ringuette, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, St. Germain, Setlakwe, *Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stollery, Stratton, Tkachuk
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees
The Honourable Senator Kolber, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce presented its Eighth Report (budget—study on the financial system).
(The Report is printed as Appendix "A'' )
The Honourable Senator Kolber moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance presented its Third Report (Supplementary Estimates "B'' 2002-2003).
(The Report is printed as Appendix "B'')
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Doody, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration later this day.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance presented its Fourth Report (final) (2002-2003 Estimates).
(The Report is printed as Appendix "C'' )
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Doody, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration later this day.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance presented its Fifth Report (first interim) (2003-2004 Estimates).
(The Report is printed as Appendix "D'' )
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Doody, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration later this day.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Introduction and First Reading of Senate Public Bills
The Honourable Senator Bolduc presented a Bill S-17, An Act respecting the Canadian International Development Agency, to provide in particular for its continuation, governance, administration and accountability.
The Bill was read the first time.
The Honourable Senator Bolduc moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Comeau, that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading two days hence.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Notices of Motions
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Comeau moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bolduc:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries and Oceans have power to sit while the Senate is sitting tonight, Tuesday, March 25, 2003, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne:
That Senate Committees scheduled to sit after 5:00 p.m. today have power to sit while the Senate is sitting, and that Rule 95(4) be suspended in relation thereto.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Fitzpatrick, seconded by the Honourable Senator Corbin, for the second reading of Bill C-3, An Act to amend the Canada Pension Plan and the Canada Pension Plan Investment Board Act.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Fitzpatrick moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Pépin, that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Second reading of Bill C-6, An Act to establish the Canadian Centre for the Independent Resolution of First Nations Specific Claims to provide for the filing, negotiation and resolution of specific claims and to make related amendments to other Acts.
The Honourable Senator Austin, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bacon, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Stratton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Keon, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Second reading of Bill C-2, An Act to establish a process for assessing the environmental and socio-economic effects of certain activities in Yukon.
The Honourable Senator Christensen moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Chalifoux, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Tkachuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator LeBreton, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Second reading of Bill C-15, An Act to amend the Lobbyists Registration Act.
The Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cook, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Di Nino moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Reports of Committees
Consideration of the Third Report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance (Supplementary Estimates "B'' 2002-2003) presented in the Senate earlier this day.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Oliver, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Consideration of the Fourth Report (final) of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance (2002-2003 Estimates) presented in the Senate earlier this day.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Buchanan, P.C., that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Day, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Consideration of the Fifth Report (first interim) of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance (2003-2004 Estimates) presented in the Senate earlier this day.
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bolduc, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Léger, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Third reading of Bill S-8, An Act to amend the Broadcasting Act.
The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Nolin, that the Bill be read the third time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Ringuette moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Chaput, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 2 to 4 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Poy, seconded by the Honourable Senator Banks, for the second reading of Bill S-3, An Act to amend the National Anthem Act to include all Canadians.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., for the Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 6 and 7 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Kinsella, seconded by the Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., for the second reading of S-6, An Act to assist in the prevention of wrongdoing in the Public Service by establishing a framework for education on ethical practices in the workplace, for dealing with allegations of wrongdoing and for protecting whistleblowers.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Keon, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Stratton, seconded by the Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., for the second reading of Bill S-4, An Act to provide for increased transparency and objectivity in the selection of suitable individuals to be named to certain high public positions.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator LeBreton moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Keon, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Commons Public Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Poulin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Poy, for the second reading of Bill C-227, An Act respecting a national day of remembrance of the Battle of Vimy Ridge.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Stratton for the Honourable Senator Atkins moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Oliver, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees
Consideration of the Eleventh Report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration (economic increase for unrepresented employees) presented in the Senate on March 20, 2003.
The Honourable Senator Bacon moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Maheu, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Consideration of the Twelfth Report of the Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration (amendment to Committee travel policy) presented in the Senate on March 20, 2003.
The Honourable Senator Bacon moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Callbeck, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 3 to 9 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Consideration of the Seventh Report of the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology (document entitled: Santé en français — Pour un meilleur accès à des services de santé en français (French-Language Healthcare — Improving Access to French-Language Health Services)) tabled in the Senate on December 12, 2002.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Pépin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Cook, that further debate on the consideration of the report be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Other
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator LeBreton calling the attention of the Senate to the legacy of waste during the Martin-Chrétien years.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Bryden moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Léger, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 4 (motion), 2, 14 (inquiries), 76 and 66 (motions) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton calling the attention of the Senate to the Budget presented by the Minister of Finance in the House of Commons on February 18, 2003.
Debate.
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Pursuant to Rule 13(1), the Speaker left the Chair to resume the same at 8:00 p.m.
The sitting resumed.
MESSAGES FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS
A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-29, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 2003, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.
The Bill was read the first time.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
A Message was brought from the House of Commons with a Bill C-30, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the public service of Canada for the financial year ending March 31, 2004, to which they desire the concurrence of the Senate.
The Bill was read the first time.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., that the Bill be placed on the Orders of the Day for a second reading at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Other
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton calling the attention of the Senate to the Budget presented by the Minister of Finance in the House of Commons on February 18, 2003.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Carstairs, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lynch-Staunton, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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Ordered, That all remaining Orders be postponed until the next sitting.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Summary of the Corporate Plan for 2001-02 of the Canadian Commercial Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-291.
Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2003-07 and the Operating and Capital Budgets for 2003 of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-292.
Report of the Governor of the Bank of Canada and Statement of Accounts for the year 2002, pursuant to the Bank of Canada Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. B-2, sbs. 30(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-293.
Report of the Canadian Nuclear Safety Commission for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-294.
Report of the Canadian Forces Personnel Support Agency for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-295.
Report of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-296.
Report of the Communications Security Establishment for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-297.
Report of the National Energy Board for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-298.
Report of the National Film Board of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-299.
Report of the National Research Council of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-300.
Report of the Natural Sciences and Engineering Research Council of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-301.
Report of the Office of the Auditor General of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-302.
Report of the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-303.
Report of the Statistical Survey Operations for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-304.
Report of the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3). —Sessional Paper No. 2/37-305.
Report of the Federal Public Service for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-306.
Report of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-307.
Report of Canada Customs and Revenue Agency for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-308.
Report of Parks Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-309.
Report of the Financial Transactions and Reports Analysis Centre of Canada for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Employment Equity Act, S.C. 1995, c. 44, sbs. 21(3).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-310.
Debt Management Strategy for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, S.C. 1999, c. 26, s. 23.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-311.
Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2003-04 to 2007-08 and the Operating and Capital Budgets for 2003-04 of the Canada Deposit Insurance Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-312.
Summaries of the Corporate Plan for 2003-07 and the Capital Budget for 2003 of the Canada Development Investment Corporation, pursuant to the Financial Administration Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. F-11, sbs. 125(4).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-313.
Report on the administration of the Members of Parliament Retiring Allowances Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Act, S.C. 1992, c. 46, s. 67.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-314.
Report on the administration of the Public Service Superannuation Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. P-36, s. 46.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-315.
Report on the administration of the Supplementary Retirement Benefits Act for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Act, R.S.C. 1985, c. S-24, s. 12.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-316.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Austin, P.C.:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 8:03 p.m. the Senate was continued until 1:30 p.m. tomorrow.)
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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Senate Committee on National Finance
The names of the Honourable Senators Finnerty, Ferretti Barth, Mahovlich and Furey substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Wiebe, Fraser, Milne and Smith (March 20).
The name of the Honourable Senator Fairbairn substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Ferretti Barth (March 24).
The name of the Honourable Senator Chaput substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Finnerty (March 25).
Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology
The name of the Honourable Senator Callbeck substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Pearson (March 20).
Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights
The name of the Honourable Senator Chaput substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Fraser (March 20).
Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications
The name of the Honourable Senator Johnson substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Forrestall (March 20).
Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
The names of the Honourable Senators Kroft and Furey substituted for those of the Honourable Senators Pépin and Smith (March 24).
The name of the Honourable Senator Pépin substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Kroft (March 25).
Standing Senate Committee on Agriculture and Forestry
The name of the Honourable Senator Fraser substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Wiebe (March 24).